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choose. not the freedom to practice a religion that the government deems to be acceptable. so that in particular has many muslims upset. and we saw a touching moment out behind us on the square. i took a picture of a young muslim man, who was standing there with a sign, had blindfold would himself. the sign read, i'm a muslim, but i'm not a terrorist. it said, we love you all. so somebody trying to remind france that this is a country full of many peaceful muslims. >> that will do it for this hour. i'm kate snow. "mtp daily" starts right now. >> good evening from washington. this is "mtp daily's" continuing coverage of the terror attacks in paris and the investigation that now stretches all across europe. at this hour, it's a closed-door briefing for the entire senate by jeh johnson and the fbi director james comey, about what
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kind of threats are facing the united states and of course the refugee issue. right now, we have some brand-new online polling data by survey monkey and of course nbc news on what americans think about the threat of isis post paris? first off, a major change in the country's attitude since the spring. a majority now feel that the u.s. government is not doing well in reducing the threat of terrorism. 53% say that now, compared to 37% who say that back in april. not surprising considering the amount of coverage and what happened. back here at home, 54% are worried that a member of their own family could be a victim of a terrorist attack. by the way, the average so far this year by gallup is 49%, so a slight tick up there. sentiment of despair is even clearer on this question. 70% in the united states believe that the u.s. and its allies are losing the fight against isis. again, considering the amount of coverage, those numbers probably shouldn't be surprising with all of that string of terrorist
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attacks that took place in a three-week period. and 2/3 of the country support more u.s. ground troops to fight isis in iraq and syria. the partisan breakdown on that question shows that it is an overwhelming majority of republicans, 2/3 of democrats, and nearly 2/3 of independents all agree on the idea of sending more troops into that region. 58% say overwhelming use of military force is the best way to beat terrorism, while 38% believe that using military force like that creates hatred and leads to more terrorism. and when it comes to the issue of extensive surveillance and security checks in public places like stadiums, movie theaters and shopping malls, a whopping 81% of americans right now believe that would be just fine with them. and finally, on the political hot potato of political refugees, a majority tell us that they disapprove of the
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decision to accept more refugees fleeing violence. most side with republicans on this issue, while 2/3 of democrats approve of letting more refugees into the country. we'll have much more on these numbers throughout the hour. we'll talk to whus counterterrorism adviser lisa monaco on the threats to washington and the rest of the country. and virginia senator mark warner who is about to head into the meeting. but first, keir simon, claudio lavanga and andrea mitchell. to the big question in paris, was the linchpin of the paris terrorist attacks, the man behind the plot, killed in an overnight raid? [ gunfire ] >> and you just heard there, that was the sound overnight during a raid in saint-denis, north of paris. two people were killed in the
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siege, including a woman who blew herself up. eight others were arrested. but what about the two chief subjects of the manhunt, salah abdeslam and abdelhamid abaaoud. here's paris prosecutor françois molins at a new conference. >> now the identities of the people arrested in the building have not been formally established but i must say that abaaoud and salah abdeslam are not part of the people -- are not part of the people in custodies. >> so not in custody. but was abaaoud one of those killed? the prosecutor said french forces neutralized the cell in saint-denis and found a weapons stockpile, suggesting it could have moved to carry out another attack. and the suspected perpetrators, isis, are putting out more propaganda, this time related to the metrojet airliner, that
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russia now says was brought down by a bomb. today, isis put out this photo of what it says was the bomb used to bring down the plane. apparently an improvised explosive device made out of a soda can. that would be terrifying if it is true. and in an exclusive interview with "today," with msnbc's thomas roberts. >> u.s. ambassador to france jane hartley said the wave of attacks signal a new era of cooperation. >> i think what we are all am coming to the conclusion that terrorists don't know any borders. this is not about france or any one country. all of us have to work together to defeat this terrible threat of terrorism. >> keir simmons, where are we on the hunt for the plotter? >> well, you set it up pretty well, chuck. we know abaaoud was not amongst the people that the french have
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arrested. but we don't know whether he is the person that they killed, the man that they killed. we have been told by the french prosecutor that the woman who died when she set off her explosive vest right at the beginning of that siege, she is his cousin. and that, i think, gives us some indication of why they believe that he was in the building. and they've described him as being entrenched in that third floor apartment in which there was this stunning siege. 110 police officers, 5,000 rounds they're talking about having been fired. the intensity of the fight such that they are now saying they believe part of the building is unin hantable. one witness saying it sounded like fireworks. they didn't know what was going on. the neighbors weren't told this was going to happen, as you would expect, because that might give the game away, if you like.
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but that left many innocent people terrified in that building. and now, we don't know where abaaoud, said to be the linchpin of the attacks, is. it looks as if he were involved in trying to plan another attack with this cell. but before today, the impression was that he was with isis in syria. now we know, the french and other intelligence agencies think he is here, but they don't know where. >> and the hunt may continue. i've seen reports about dna tests. so they're hoping to see what they may find out. keir simmons, thank you very much. now let's go to brussels in belgium, where there's another part of this investigation. our own claudio lavanga has some information on the woman who police say blew herself up in that raid in the suburb of paris. claudio, what do you got? >> that's right, chuck. let me just pick up on what keir said, on the allegations that the woman who blew herself up
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during the raid this morning was in fact a cousin of the linchpin, or the suspected linchpin of the terrorist attack last friday, abdelhamid abaaoud. now, there are two major newspapers here in belgium who have made that allegation. they say that the source of that information came from morocco's intelligence. well, now, they even posted a picture of -- let me just call her hasna. they put out the surname, but because nbc news has not confirmed that, i'm not going to give out the surname just yet. they put out a picture of hassna wearing a hijab and looking quite menacing. they say it was a cousin from the mother's side, she was 26, but we'll have to wait for confirmation of that, chuck. >> claudio, hopefully we'll find out more and how involved folks in belgium were in this plot as well. thank you very much. the u.s. military said coalition forces carried out 29
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air strikes in its latest raids on isis in syria and iraq. but it remains unclear how far the u.s. will go to coordinate its efforts, not only with france, but with russia. here's what with the french ambassador to the u.s. had to say in the interview with nbc's andrea mitchell. >> so now we are striking with the russians and also with the americans, because we have a common enemy, obviously, which is isis. but you don't win a war with planes. so we need ground forces. and to have ground forces, we need to put an end to the syrian civil war. so i think it's very important that our military coalition is transformed also into a political coalition, so that we have a political transition in syria. >> let me bring in andrea mitchell. i'm going to give away something here later in the hour. i taped an interview with mark warner, because he's in this briefing right now, and mark
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warner is basically saying he's open to u.s. ground troops and believes that the french president may be the guy who ties moscow and washington together to build this international coalition. >> i've been told that what francois hollande is likely to ask of president obama is ground forces in the face of the need for more better and more targeted air strikes. he'll asked for forward based air controllers, who have trained with the french. it would be a combined force, putting more troops at risk. so far the president has not been willing to go along with. he hasn't even put in the 50 that he said he would. >> is hollande going to be asking this of putin and moscow? >> not with putin. the virtue of a nato partner, hollande can't get -- >> everything you've heard is they'll hold the meeting and
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nobody will agree. >> right. so they're not even going to ask for that meeting under article 4 and ask for article 5, which would be the use of force. they only got it provisionally after 9/11, not even in full. so hollande plan here is to try to get washington and russia closer together, but also to argue as the ambassador argued today that until and unless you do something about the civil bar and the barrel-bombing, isis will flourish. you can't get ground troops in there as long as the war is continuing. >> and the president he had this overnight statement because he's on the other side of the world, time zone wise, he hinted that he's ready to work with the russians. that was the first time we heard that from him. that's important. >> and he said they're now finally targeting isis -- >> but he backhanded it, but it's clear, we're ready to do this now, i think. >> it's probably, hollande in front of the entire parliament in that extraordinary session on monday, said that so far the international response, meaning
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russia and the united states has been incoherent and divided. he wants to see them come together, and he's basically pushing it by coming here first and then going to moscow 24 hours later. it's going to be an in and out trip, not an overnight trip. >> and hollande is the linchpin here -- >> because he's the victim. >> andrea mitchell, we'll see you soon. coming up, cia director john brennan warns of more attacks from isis. lisa monaco joins me on the administration's strategy to combat the terror network and whether those fears of a strike in the united states are warranted. and later, as i told you, senator mark warner of virginia will join me to discuss the fight over the future of syrian refugees, plus, what he would like to see more of when it comes to the fight against isis. stay tuned. ack. why put up with that? but the quicksilver card from capital one likes to keep it simple.
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confronting or national security around the globe. >> bear in mind john brennan's been at this since 1980. so when he says something like that, it ought to spook you a little bit. monday, he said he doesn't think the paris attacks are a one-off event. >> i certainly would not consider it a one-off event. it is clear to me that isil has an external agenda, that they are determined to carry out these types of attacks. >> i would anticipate that this is not the only operation that isil has in the pipeline. >> i'm joined by lisa monaco, assistant to the president for homeland security and counterterrorism, and she succeeded john brennan in that job. lisa monaco, welcome back. let me ask you for a little more specific about what john brennan was saying. he anticipates there are more in the pipeline. is that an assumption, or do you know more?
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>> good to be with you, chuck. as director brennan said, this is a threat we are acutely focused on and one we have been focused on for some time. it's why we can't be complacent, we have to remain vigilant. we have to treat the threat environment as if this is not a one-off. and that's exactly what we're doing. people in my job, people across the counterterrorism community are acutely focused every day on threat streams of the type that director brennan referred to, and that's what we are focused on, and that's what we'll continue to be focused on. >> i'm trying too figure out what was missed here. because for the last year, many people in the administration emphasized isis is not al qaeda. they're more about inspiring lone wolves. paris was a large-scale operation. so what did we miss here? >> well, chuck, i think what you have heard members of the counterterrorism community say is that isil is a distinct type of threat. it is a new type of threat.
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it is one where we have seen them use social media, for instance, to recruit, to radicalize and indeed to plan and plot. which is why we are applying relentless pressure on isil in iraq and syria and other areas so they cannot establish a safe haven, which is exactly why you have seen our military take action, take lethal strikes against leadership targets in iraq and in syria. including against jihadi john just last week, the brutal murderer of, we assess, of american citizens, of american journalists. which is why you've seen our military take strikes against and take out leaders elsewhere, including in libya. the strike against what we assess to be the leader of isil in libya. because we are not going to let them establish a foothold elsewhere, and we are going to go after isil terrorist plotters
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and al qaeda terrorist plotters wherever they are. >> why do you think this paris plan slipped through the cracks here? obviously you guys have been very aggressive. do you have issues now in monitoring cell phones? do you have issues that you're facing that stood in the way of you being able to break up this plot? >> well, time will tell as the investigation of the paris attacks continues. and obviously the french are leading that and are very focused and we're working very closely with them, sharing intelligence. i personally have been in contact daily with my counterparts in france and in paris. so it's something we're working very closery wi erly with them . there's no doubt that terrorist communications pose a threat. we have to be right 100% of the time. they have to be right only 1% of the time. that poses a huge challenge. >> describe the threat level to
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the united states right now. >> we have no credible threat reporting against washington, d.c. there have been reports about that. we have no credible threat reporting with regard to a specific or credible threat to washington, d.c. or the homeland. nevertheless, we are going to continue to be vigilant. we can't be complacent. we're applying all of our tools to this problem, including our intense ir sha intelligence sharing, military sharing, and law enforcement and we'll continue that across all those disciplines. >> there seems to be some issues about a black market passport, lot of stolen passports flying around. how can you tell us about how you're tracking this situation? >> i'm just seeing some of those reports that you referred to. what i can tell you is, there's a very careful process and careful tracking of lost and
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stolen passports. indeed, just last year, at the u.n. general assembly when the president convened leadership of the u.n. security council, one of the things that the community of nations has signed up to is making sure we are tracking lost and stolen passports, through the u.n., through interpol, so that when that situation arises, we can make sure the person who presents that passport is the person who should have it. >> let me ask you about the vetting process for the refugees. we've had over 2,000. how many syrian refugees have been rejected because of the vet? >> well, it's an interesting question, chuck, because there is the highest level of security screening and most rigorous process that we can apply is what we apply to the screening of refugee admissions in this country. there is a very careful, deliberate, frankly, lengthy
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process. it takes 18 to 24 months for an individual to -- >> so what's the rejection rate? can you say, give an estimate? is it half, is it 30%? what is it? >> it is substantial. let me just give you some measure of scale here. which is, since fiscal year 2011, we looked at 20,000 refugees who were referred to our process by the u.n. of those, we interviewed some 7,000. and only under 2,000 have come through that process. >> so 90% rejection rate, what you just described. >> that's about right. i haven't done the math sitting here, but i'll trust your math. >> i want to ask you about a couple of criticisms that have come at the president and how he's handling this. eugene robinson, not exactly is somebody who writes a lot of nasty columns about the president, said this.
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obama's tone in addressing the paris atrocity was all wrong. at times he was pate lonnizing. at other times, he seems annoyed and almost dismissive. is this a case of the president not being on the ground and not realizing the public's angst because he's overseas? >> chuck, my job isn't to do that type of analysis. what i can tell you is my personal experience. i meet with the president almost every day to discuss these threats and others across the globe with him. i was the one to brief him on the paris attacks. he was extremely focused on threats to our citizens in paris and across the globe. his first priority as it is mine and the rest of his national security team, is the protection of the american people. he does not take his eye off that ball. >> and very quickly, are you at all willing to entertain congress's, what may be a bipartisan majority in congress
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that asks you to put a pause on accepting syrian refugees? >> we don't think that's the way to go. now, we want to explain and answer questions of congress about the very rigorous, very deliberate, and careful security process and procedures that we have in place for refugee admissions, but we don't think a pause is the way to go. that is only going to exacerbate the problem. we need to work with the global partners to address the refugee crisis, to ensure, quite frankly, that we don't have a disaffected generation back in the region, who is ripe for recruitment and radicalization. there's a national security case to make sure that we are addressing the global refugee crisis with our partners and doing so subject to the highest security requirements that we can apply. >> lisa monaco, the president's special assistant on counterterrorism inside the white house. thank you for being with us. so i had that conversation with her about 45 minutes ago. just before air, and we learned
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immigration bill. jeb bush said that he's probably more consistent and less bellicose than either one of the two senators. speaking of bush, his super pac spent $2 million this week, leading all spending again, who leads in overall spending this cycle, spending more than double of any pac or campaign. on the other side of the aisle, bernie sanders spent nearly a million dollars of his own campaign money this week on tv compared to hillary clinton's campaign which spent about $741,000 of her campaign on television. one more story of note, just three days until the louisiana gubernatorial run-off and the syrian refugee crisis has been the topic here at the very end. republican candidate david vitter put out this ad on monday, which hit the democrat john bell edwards for supporting the president on syrian refugees and using footage from the paris terrorist attacks. >> one of the paris isis terrorists entered france posing as a syrian refugee. now obama's sending syrian refugees to louisiana.
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additional 30,000 refugees following the deadly attacks in paris. this is more than 3/5 of u.s. governors saying they don't want syrian refugees in their states, following a report that one of the attackers had a passport that was used to enter europe as a refugee. now the passport may have been planted by isis, but this is not confirmed yet. capitol hill makers are moving swiftly just as governors are opposing admittance of these refugees. and in manila, for the asian pacific economic summit, president obama chided congress for so quickly taking action on the refugee issue, while leaving the authorization of force issue against isis on the table. >> i've been waiting for a year and a half or more, for
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legislation that would authorize the military activities that we're carrying out in syria as we speak and have not been able to get anything out of congress. and now suddenly, they're able to rush in, in a day or two, to solve the threat of widows and orphans and others who are fleeing a war-torn land, and that's their most constructive contribution to the effort against isil. >> at this hour, senators are being briefed by jeh johnson and fbi director james comey on the issue of intelligence, the threat to the homeland and the refugee issue. but we caught up with senator and former virginia governor mark warner, who is also a member of the senate intelligence committee before he went into that briefing. and we're going to bring you that interview with senator warner in just a second. i tasted -- i interviewed him about an hour ago. nbc news has learned there's a
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new isis video. now, it makes reference to times square new york city. there are no details or plans of an actual plot. the video that shows footage of times square and isis has used this video before. we realize just this hour, you heard from the white house just this hour who said there's no incredible threat to the homeland and we're not showing the video because this could be isis looking for a propaganda score. we wanted to let you know those headlines are out there, but again, we're not showing this video for fear of playing into their propaganda. now, let me go to the interview that i had with senator mark warner. senator warner, let me start with, if you were governor right now, would you be one of the governors that would ask for a pause or a halt to syrian
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refugees? >> no. the fact is, everybody ought to get their facts straight first. of course it's critically important that we keep americans safe. that's the most important thing we can do. and we clearly ought to review this refugee admission program, and see if there are ways that we can improve it. but the fact is that anyone that goes through this program, it's over two years before people are admitted. there are reviews of intelligence, law enforcement, other agencies, if there are ways to improve, let's have at it. but let's let the intelligence and law enforcement officials make those recommendations, not rush to some arbitrary judgment before you have all the facts in. what we ought to be looking at is that there's already existing a program that's got a lot of economic value, called the visa waiver program. americans want to go to france, or germany or spain, relatively easy to go and vice versa. but we saw in the last year, there are ten million people with european passports that went to turkey.
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we don't know how many of those ended up on the beach and how many of those potentially got radicalized or went into the war territory. [ inaudible question ] >> no, i wouldn't suspend it. but we ought to have additional review. working with our allies. we need to continue to focus on better intelligence. we got to move on that intelligence. we've seen actions even today in france and now in honduras where those countries are moving. >> one of your constituents, the mayor of roanoke, put out a release earlier today, senator and he said this, this is david bowers, mayor of roanoke. i'm reminded that franklin d. roosevelt felt compelled to sequester japanese foreign nationals after the bombing of pearl harbor and it appears that the threat of harm to america
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from isis now is just as real and serious as that from our enemies then. is that a justification? >> i think most americans realize that with the benefit of history, that turning japanese americans for years during world war ii was not appropriate. i think we, as a member of the intelligence committee, who got briefed up yesterday and i'll be there later today. we ought to deal with what the intelligence professionals and the law enforcement professionals recommend in terms of how we can improve this program. we ought to look at where there may be real vulnerabilities in terms of the visa program with europe. we ought to look at encrypted technology, which is an enormously challenging issue in terms of how the terrorists communicate. and honestly, now we're seeing many european governments who drew back from engaging with us on intel after the snowden revelations, starting to change their practices. this is where we ought to have ur focus. >> you're a former telecon exec. what is the role, if you were back in that business, senator, would you be -- how cooperative
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would you be with government versus consumers that want the best in encryption and privacy? >> we're going to have to figure out a way to work through this. the encryption issue itself, we've kind of missed that window. we have products, not only american products, and frankly, if we passed an american law, it wouldn't do anything, because there are 1,500 new apps a day, many with encryption plait forms. this is not an american-only problem to grapple with. this shows, when you're dealing with this force, isis, that is both geographic and ideologically based, it's going to take frankly the civilized world en masse to step up to take it on. >> later you'll hear mark warner talk about being open to additional ground troops to deal with this. i want to go back to this breaking news. joining me now, counterterrorism expert, former head of the
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counterterrorism for the united states. now counsellor and ceo of pailen tur. i hope i get that right. >> it's okay. >> we got to get this right. >> it's a busy week. >> and obviously you're on the forefront of security. we have this report of isis putting out a video, we're not showing it because i think it will create more unnecessary panic. but obviously a member of isis showing video of times square. it's got a lot of people concerned. isis does this a lot. when should -- when do you take this seriously and when do you not take it seriously? >> there's no way you can't take isis seriously, but we have to take a deep breath and something like these video, they're very common. it was common for al qaeda before and now it's isis. that doesn't mean that the nypd and fbi don't look at this and examine it, but the idea that this video represents a new sort of threat, i really don't think
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so. >> here it is. i know you haven't seen it for the first time, so let's show it. it's just this and he's obviously trying -- are these videos designed for a u.s. audience? designed to inspire isis operatives? what are they designed for? >> your last point is an important one. they are designed to inspire people who might be around new york or washington or anywhere else, to take action into their own hands. and that really is isis's modus operandi. what we saw in france is different, but generally they've tried to get people where they are, to put isis on their sleeve and go out and attack. >> sort of like, hey, guys, this is how you do it, and using us, hoping that we'll air it and then -- >> it can scare people. i understand post paris are scared. intelligence officials, they're not quite scared, but they are really nervous about isis's
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reach. but i don't think, again, this times square video really has anything other than standard fare for isis in it. >> we heard from lisa monaco earlier in the show, and she said no incredible threat. she specifically said not to washington, d.c. again, that was a video a couple days ago that got people spun up. when i did the interview, we were not aware of this video, but she said no incredible threat to the homeland. one would assume if there were one, they would be hopefully aware of it before this? >> yeah, i had absolutely no doubt. when we thought about incredible threats, it wasn't videos like this. it's the things that the public isn't seeing. it's the communications, the movement of operatives, it's travel. this is not that credible threat. all that said, intelligence community officials and law enforcement officials in the u.s. and overseas are really nervous. because what say saw in paris was the breadth of plotting, the sophistication of the attack, and all of it going on without
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detection. >> i was just going to say, not to be alarmist here, but i assume french authorities would have said 48 hours before this attack, there's no credible threat to the french homeland. >> i think undoubtedly, they would have said no credible threat but lots of investigations, lots of nervousness and then this. and u.s. intelligence officials were saying, we think there may be things going on, but nothing specific about that. >> why were they so sure before the last 72 hours, that isis was not capable of al qaeda-style operations, and now of course that's not true. but why was your community so sure of that for so long? >> i'm not sure that that's actually the secase. i think the line has been we're more worried about the one and twos, like in garland texas, people inspired by isis. i think there was a real awareness, that firearms, small-scale explosives could be used. i don't think anybody was focused on a group this large with three-pronged attacks, with
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follow-on attacks apparently planned and i think that probably did take some people by tactical surprise. we talked about this before. the difference between tactical surprise and strategic surprise. tactical and you don't know this event and that it's on paris in this day. but strategically, the counterterrorism communities in the west, the united states, they have been really scared. they've seen what isis has been able to do on social media to inspire and also the real safe haven they've maintained in syria. >> why did we hear the president say i'll have more cooperation with the french intelligence agency? nice to hear, but why didn't we have more cooperation with the french intelligence agencies? what's the line here for lack of cooperation? >> i don't think it's a lack of cooperation, but almost in any intelligence relationship, there's always a little bit of care about exactly what you're going to show them.
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we started some really in-depth work with the french in north africa, back in 2008, 2009, when the french were taking the lead. so i think different parts of the u.s. government has shared better at times with the french. africon has done very well. the central command responsible for syria probably doesn't have that in-depth relationship that other countries have with france in the past. so i think it's opening up that spigot a little more. we are very open with the french, they are very open with us. >> very open with the french, reasonably open with us. you're saying we're more open with them, than they are with us. >> i think generally so. the french have a world-class intelligence, police organization, special forces, military. they are very, very, very good at this. but they are also, like we are, extremely proud, and they want to do things independently, so they don't always turn to us. >> what do you make of isis showing the soda can bomb as the culprit in the downed russian
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jet. do you believe it? >> i think there's still a lot of analysis to know whether it is. but a container that large with either tnt or military grade explosives in the right place on a plane, could certainly take a plane down. also in there -- >> have you seen intelligence of attempts of things like that, to make bombs out of soda cans? >> what we saw and defeated in 2006, want transatlantic airline plots of al qaeda. that's why you have to pour out your water, based on the kind of explosives you could fit in that container. what we saw from the underwear bomber, we know about improvised detonators. the switch looks to be something a person would set off, not in a luggage compartment. that sort of device could be used to take down a plane. whether that's it, it's really
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hard -- >> and there's concern about the idea that paris was part one of a sequencing of events. and of course yesterday with the fear how -- i know there's an investigation going on wondering if there is a much larger plot going on here, what have you heard? >> i haven't. i certainly have not heard that sort of grandness. but what we saw with the raids today certainly strongly suggest there were follow-on attacks planned. and simply being able to hold back your terrorist organizers to do a second round, that represents a sophistication. i think that officials on both sides of the atlantic are assuming they don't know the breadth of what was going on. >> that's basically what john brennan said. you're like, whoa, may not know. >> he's a long time professional who once had my job at the national counterterrorism center. you never assume you know anything.
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we are really nervous. >> we've been making a lot of reference to it, again. i wouldn't remind if you could analyze it as we're watching it. here it is. there's no sound to it. >> so this is -- clear through them showing in very high level how you'd make a suicide bomb, a vest. -- it's really propaganda, material. not instructional material. now, isis, al qaeda in the arabian peninsula have previously put online other instructions how to make a bomb in the kitchen was a well-known article from al qaeda. and the english-speaking magazine has put out other instructions on how to make improvised explosive devices. that material's very problematic. and that's why officials look very closely at who reads that,
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who gets it. i think this video, again, this is for shock and fear rather than any sort of instructions. >> are you of the mindset that this is more likely to be a problem in europe than it is in the united states simply for the free flowing of potential foreign fighters? >> yeah, a couple of reasons. europe is in a worse position. one, simply the volume -- we're probably somewhere between 100 and 200 in the u.s. second, the open borders under the agreement, that means that france -- >> how long's that going to last? >> mark warner in this interview, he seemed -- he wasn't ready to go there, but he seemed to hint that this open visa policy is something that should be of concern. >> the visa waiver program. there's no perfect solution to that. but, i will tell you that from
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counterterrorism perspective, i would be much more concerned about people who are traveling to the united states without a need for a visa, visa waiver program from europe. those are the ones that get less scrutiny compared to the refugees. >> all right. going back to the videos here that show the images of time square. you work closely with the nypd's counterterrorism. >> i do. >> if there's any city prepared to stop plots, it is new york city, correct? >> i don't want to make light of washington and los angeles, but new york and the chief up there, best in the world. world class, great intelligence organization, great counterterrorism organization, highly professional police. so absolutely. they were going to look very closely at this. they've got people on the ground in paris. this is a department working with the fbi, which is very well-positioned. >> and that's been my concern. new york feels ready. i assume washington is going to be ready. how concerned are you about other cities? let's take a minneapolis who has taken in a lot of refugees. in this case, it's somalian. there's concern of that. a detroit, a los angeles.
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how confident are you in those cities compared to a new york and washington? >> no city has the resources that new york has. not even los angeles to put against this problem. so there is a difference there. but most major u.s. urban cities have really pretty significant organizations for counterterrorism, for information sharing, deep relationships with their fbi counterparts. cities like minneapolis, one thing they have is truthfully some of the best outreach in the nation with their muslim communities because of the challenges they saw with their somali population. so, i actually think one of the most important things is not the counterterrorism elements, but really the softer elements of these departments and other governments and the extent to which they've engaged with otherwise marginalized populations. because that's how they get information about them. that's how the communities come to the police. that's actually been a real problem for the french. >> walk me through. the video like this comes in, and i said, you know, walk me through what you did at the
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counterterrorism center when these videos would pop in. when we in the media would see the videos and come to you. obviously, you know, but how do you look, analyze a video. there's obviously the images. do you try to find out who the perpetrators are? walk me through that process. >> you hope you get the video before nbc does or msnbc does. and you want to look at not just the video, how did it get on the internet. who posted it? you try to go back as far as you can to the production of that video. >> that's what your old folks, the folks are doing right now. maybe have been doing in the last hour. >> and then you look at that video for things, like, identities, locations, something about the organization? and, of course, you're then worried whether the videos are actually saying something specific. and you may well increase the fences or may look at the rest of your intelligence to say, they are now making a threat against this. let's look at all of our intelligence related to that site or that person. is there something more concrete that we wouldn't otherwise see just looking at the video?
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>> isis has been much more aggressive on social media than al qaeda ever was. had its own ways of trying to inspire isis. and nothing, there's been no counter to this. we've tried. u.s. government has tried. none of it's worked. >> well, the u.s. government is not great at this. we haven't invested the dollars we probably need for it. it's a lot easier to get congressional support for buying a new aircraft than it is for more social media work. but also, the u.s. government is often not the most credible voice. in muslim communities. either domestically or overseas. i think what we really need to do on this for engagement is empower more moderate voices. the government can still play a really important role in helping people to understand how to use social media and counter that message. >> let me bring in evan coleman here, a senior partner at flash point global partners. i've got to get mike to get a drink of water here. give me your first reaction to this video. how serious should we be taking it? >> well, look, there's two ways of looking at this.
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first of all, in case anyone's curious, the footage of time square, it's not original footage. it's recycled. it's not like there's a secret isis cell that is secretly furtively reporting things in time square and preparing an imminent attack. >> there's a lot of video. you can go on instagram and find video of time square. >> and we know where this video came from. it's not that it's newly released footage of time square. what's disturbing here is that this is an official isis video. you see someone with a suicide bomb vest and putting the vest on and juxtaposed with the footage of new york in the background. what does this tell us? it doesn't tell us there's an imminent plot. but it does tell us, isis' intent is to target the united states homeland and incite individuals, lone wolves to carry out attacks, suicide operations. that's the message of this video. >> you view this as a video
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attempting to recruit somebody to try something in time square. >> it's certainly partially that. and i think it's also partially an effort to amplify the effect of the paris attacks. you know, obviously the paris attacks took place in france. the number one question on the minds of americans is are we safe? is there a threat to the united states? and isis would love to project the idea that it is able to do what it did in france here inside the u.s. and they're capturing, trying to capture that lightning in a jar right now. and that's exactly what the video says is that if you live in the united states or france and you believe the same things we do, you should go out and carry out operations. >> could you make the argument that the video itself is a terrorist attack? because it's creating fear? >> look, it's -- they're definitely attempting to spread fear. and they are -- and the concern here and this is the concern the nypd has. there may be a foolish individual who takes it upon themselves to do something unfortunate.
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i don't think there's at the moment a mass threat of huge isis networks in the u.s. i don't think those really exist yet, anyway. but there are lone individuals that, unfortunately, are very deluded. and as we've seen, when someone is intent upon killing themselves and hurting other people, it can be often times very difficult to predict or stop that person. >> well, let me read you. you've said the nypd's aware of this, and let me read a statement that they just put out within the last few minutes. >> we are aware of the video that mentions time square. while some of the footage is not new. it reaffirms that new york city remains a top terrorist target. while there's no current or specific threat to the city at this time, we will remain at a heightened state of vigilance and will continue to work with the fbi, the task force and the entire intelligence community to keep the city of new york safe. in addition, we are continuing to deploy additional critical response command teams throughout the city out of an abundance of caution. mike, you worked with these folks closely. tell me the crc teams, what are
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people in new york city going to see? >> they will continue to see what they've seen over the past couple of days. some heavily armed nypd officers in key places like time square. they shouldn't view that as a credible threat. they should view that as smart counterterrorism preventive work. >> all right. mike, evan coalman, thank you, both. we'll be back tomorrow. we'll have more "mtp daily." but more live coverage continues right now with erica hill. we are live in paris with our coverage. i'm erica hill. in the last 30 minutes, nbc news has learned there is a new highly produced isis propaganda video. it includes images of time square in new york city that were originally published in april of this year. the implied threat s are not new. and there are no details or plans of a plot. senior law enforcement officia


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